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	<title>Comments on: Email from Andrew Sullivan on Israel and Max Blumenthal</title>
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		<title>By: Straw man of the day &#171; The Daily Dishwater</title>
		<link>http://sadredearth.com/email-from-andrew-sullivan-on-israel-and-max-blumenthal/comment-page-1/#comment-1584</link>
		<dc:creator>Straw man of the day &#171; The Daily Dishwater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 04:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the emails are already public &#8230; The blogger at Sad Red Earth once wrote The Dish complaining about Andrew&#8217;s commending a DiA whitewash of young anti-Zionists. Andrew [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the emails are already public &#8230; The blogger at Sad Red Earth once wrote The Dish complaining about Andrew&#8217;s commending a DiA whitewash of young anti-Zionists. Andrew [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rick @ Canadian Maple Leaf Gold Coins</title>
		<link>http://sadredearth.com/email-from-andrew-sullivan-on-israel-and-max-blumenthal/comment-page-1/#comment-407</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick @ Canadian Maple Leaf Gold Coins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 00:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Post! Your blog is one I try to always read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Post! Your blog is one I try to always read.</p>
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		<title>By: JES</title>
		<link>http://sadredearth.com/email-from-andrew-sullivan-on-israel-and-max-blumenthal/comment-page-1/#comment-293</link>
		<dc:creator>JES</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A. Jay, you hit the nail right on the head. These people would not dare speak of the demise of any other state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A. Jay, you hit the nail right on the head. These people would not dare speak of the demise of any other state.</p>
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		<title>By: Thom</title>
		<link>http://sadredearth.com/email-from-andrew-sullivan-on-israel-and-max-blumenthal/comment-page-1/#comment-274</link>
		<dc:creator>Thom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you see a post on Mondoweiss that no one contradicts, remember that Mondoweiss bans dissenters. So the apparent consensus there (Israel=bad) is just a reflection of the ban on any other opinions, not a reflection of reality.

Until recently, Mondoweiss blog allowed supporters of Israel to comment there. Now they are requiring registration and silently banning any dissenters. The range of opinion there now ranges from &quot;Israel is the most evil country ever&quot; to &quot;Israel is evil, but not the most evil ever&quot;. So if you like your Israel bashing without any inconvenient facts spoiling things, Mondoweiss is the place to be. Of course, like with most echo chambers, be prepared to embarrass yourself if you post anything you get from there elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you see a post on Mondoweiss that no one contradicts, remember that Mondoweiss bans dissenters. So the apparent consensus there (Israel=bad) is just a reflection of the ban on any other opinions, not a reflection of reality.</p>
<p>Until recently, Mondoweiss blog allowed supporters of Israel to comment there. Now they are requiring registration and silently banning any dissenters. The range of opinion there now ranges from &#8220;Israel is the most evil country ever&#8221; to &#8220;Israel is evil, but not the most evil ever&#8221;. So if you like your Israel bashing without any inconvenient facts spoiling things, Mondoweiss is the place to be. Of course, like with most echo chambers, be prepared to embarrass yourself if you post anything you get from there elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: The End of Israel? &#171; Zeitung für Schland</title>
		<link>http://sadredearth.com/email-from-andrew-sullivan-on-israel-and-max-blumenthal/comment-page-1/#comment-258</link>
		<dc:creator>The End of Israel? &#171; Zeitung für Schland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 09:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Israel. Second, Andrew Sullivan, muddled thinker but very popular blogger, telling A.Jay Adler he can&#8217;t see Israel reaching its 60th anniversary (which happened back in 2008, but no matter). Finally, Jeffrey Goldberg, journalist and blogger at [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Israel. Second, Andrew Sullivan, muddled thinker but very popular blogger, telling A.Jay Adler he can&#8217;t see Israel reaching its 60th anniversary (which happened back in 2008, but no matter). Finally, Jeffrey Goldberg, journalist and blogger at [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff M</title>
		<link>http://sadredearth.com/email-from-andrew-sullivan-on-israel-and-max-blumenthal/comment-page-1/#comment-255</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 00:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it any surprise that a man who still cannot comprehend the mysteries of Sara Palin&#039;s uterus also can&#039;t imagine Israel reaching its 60th anniversary?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it any surprise that a man who still cannot comprehend the mysteries of Sara Palin&#8217;s uterus also can&#8217;t imagine Israel reaching its 60th anniversary?</p>
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		<title>By: A. Jay Adler</title>
		<link>http://sadredearth.com/email-from-andrew-sullivan-on-israel-and-max-blumenthal/comment-page-1/#comment-252</link>
		<dc:creator>A. Jay Adler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 19:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, I&#039;ve received replies from him once or twice before, though mostly not, and especially when I&quot;ve driven holes through his already porous obsession with labeling circumcision &quot;male genital mutilation&#039; or &quot;MGM.&quot;

About the meanings people give the word &quot;Zionism,&quot; oh, yes, I know. You&#039;re quite right. It is a subject about which I plan to write.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, I&#8217;ve received replies from him once or twice before, though mostly not, and especially when I&#8221;ve driven holes through his already porous obsession with labeling circumcision &#8220;male genital mutilation&#8217; or &#8220;MGM.&#8221;</p>
<p>About the meanings people give the word &#8220;Zionism,&#8221; oh, yes, I know. You&#8217;re quite right. It is a subject about which I plan to write.</p>
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		<title>By: David T.</title>
		<link>http://sadredearth.com/email-from-andrew-sullivan-on-israel-and-max-blumenthal/comment-page-1/#comment-251</link>
		<dc:creator>David T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 17:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay,

You should consider yourself lucky that Andrew Sullivan deigned to respond to you. I think at this point his political transformation from neocon to realist-appeaser is nearly complete; and of course a central marker for that transformation is his turnabout on Israel. I wouldn&#039;t be entirely surprised if he progresses further into the fevered swamps of anti-Zionist thinking and starts to actively advocate for the abandonment/dismantlement of Israel within the year, when it becomes clear that the Israelis will to survive is stronger than their desire to please Americans, Arabs, and Europeans. His line will be that it Israel has become an religious/apartheid/authoritarian state that can no longer be supported by anyone who buys into  enlightenment values. And, unfortunately, it&#039;s easy to see many American Democrats following suit.

One thing worth considering on your post above. You seem to use the word Zionist in its traditional sense as &quot;the nationalism of the Jewish people&quot;. But this is not how the word is heard today, not only on the left, but also in the political center. I think Zionism is more generally understood, at least by the &quot;human rights&quot; left, as, well, a form of Jewish exclusivity and racism. It ties into the &quot;Jews are the chosen people and despise others&quot; canard, as well as the notion that the Jews are not a people, just a religion. So when you accuse others of being anti-Zionist, the logical response of many reader will be  &quot;so what? Anti-Zionists are on the side of justice because Zionism is apartheid&quot;.

It&#039;s funny how the UN resolution of 1975 has effectively become true in the popular mind through a very effective propaganda campaign. No matter that the resolution was overturned... surely that was a manipulation of the Israel lobby.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay,</p>
<p>You should consider yourself lucky that Andrew Sullivan deigned to respond to you. I think at this point his political transformation from neocon to realist-appeaser is nearly complete; and of course a central marker for that transformation is his turnabout on Israel. I wouldn&#8217;t be entirely surprised if he progresses further into the fevered swamps of anti-Zionist thinking and starts to actively advocate for the abandonment/dismantlement of Israel within the year, when it becomes clear that the Israelis will to survive is stronger than their desire to please Americans, Arabs, and Europeans. His line will be that it Israel has become an religious/apartheid/authoritarian state that can no longer be supported by anyone who buys into  enlightenment values. And, unfortunately, it&#8217;s easy to see many American Democrats following suit.</p>
<p>One thing worth considering on your post above. You seem to use the word Zionist in its traditional sense as &#8220;the nationalism of the Jewish people&#8221;. But this is not how the word is heard today, not only on the left, but also in the political center. I think Zionism is more generally understood, at least by the &#8220;human rights&#8221; left, as, well, a form of Jewish exclusivity and racism. It ties into the &#8220;Jews are the chosen people and despise others&#8221; canard, as well as the notion that the Jews are not a people, just a religion. So when you accuse others of being anti-Zionist, the logical response of many reader will be  &#8220;so what? Anti-Zionists are on the side of justice because Zionism is apartheid&#8221;.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny how the UN resolution of 1975 has effectively become true in the popular mind through a very effective propaganda campaign. No matter that the resolution was overturned&#8230; surely that was a manipulation of the Israel lobby.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
		<link>http://sadredearth.com/email-from-andrew-sullivan-on-israel-and-max-blumenthal/comment-page-1/#comment-250</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...I prefer “fools” to self-hating Jews.&quot;



That would work for me too, Jay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;I prefer “fools” to self-hating Jews.&#8221;</p>
<p>That would work for me too, Jay.</p>
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		<title>By: A. Jay Adler</title>
		<link>http://sadredearth.com/email-from-andrew-sullivan-on-israel-and-max-blumenthal/comment-page-1/#comment-247</link>
		<dc:creator>A. Jay Adler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 03:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been searching the web for any sign of acknowledgment. None. Any speculation is meaningless in the absence of evidence, but I do wonder about Blumenthal the father. I take your point about antisemitism, but I&#039;m always in favor of making distinctions. It clarifies the nature of the world. I have written elsewhere, though, that I prefer &quot;fools&quot; to self-hating Jews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been searching the web for any sign of acknowledgment. None. Any speculation is meaningless in the absence of evidence, but I do wonder about Blumenthal the father. I take your point about antisemitism, but I&#8217;m always in favor of making distinctions. It clarifies the nature of the world. I have written elsewhere, though, that I prefer &#8220;fools&#8221; to self-hating Jews.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
		<link>http://sadredearth.com/email-from-andrew-sullivan-on-israel-and-max-blumenthal/comment-page-1/#comment-246</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 02:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But that Contentions published a piece that they then felt should be pulled is definitely dismal.&quot;


I am not a regular reader of Commentary or even their blogs, but I assume that they pulled the piece because they didn&#039;t want to give Weiss’s mendacious blog more publicity.  This is just a guess, though. 


Btw: I also don&#039;t like the term &quot;self hating Jew.&quot; They are hardly Jewish and I prefer to call them antisemites no different from non-Jewish antisemites.  Max Blumenthal seems to like an over-privileged and undernourished punk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But that Contentions published a piece that they then felt should be pulled is definitely dismal.&#8221;</p>
<p>I am not a regular reader of Commentary or even their blogs, but I assume that they pulled the piece because they didn&#8217;t want to give Weiss’s mendacious blog more publicity.  This is just a guess, though. </p>
<p>Btw: I also don&#8217;t like the term &#8220;self hating Jew.&#8221; They are hardly Jewish and I prefer to call them antisemites no different from non-Jewish antisemites.  Max Blumenthal seems to like an over-privileged and undernourished punk.</p>
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		<title>By: A. Jay Adler</title>
		<link>http://sadredearth.com/email-from-andrew-sullivan-on-israel-and-max-blumenthal/comment-page-1/#comment-245</link>
		<dc:creator>A. Jay Adler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 23:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&quot;ve yet to read any explanation or even acknowledgment that the post was pulled, and that would certainly be interesting to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8221;ve yet to read any explanation or even acknowledgment that the post was pulled, and that would certainly be interesting to know.</p>
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		<title>By: PetraMB</title>
		<link>http://sadredearth.com/email-from-andrew-sullivan-on-israel-and-max-blumenthal/comment-page-1/#comment-244</link>
		<dc:creator>PetraMB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 23:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, it&#039;s always fascinating to read what pundits who can&#039;t imagine Israel having its 60th anniversary think about Israel... Oh well, maybe that also explains why Sullivan would apparently think there is something liberal or leftist about the mondoweiss campaign against Israel. 
But that Contentions published a piece that they then felt should be pulled is definitely dismal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it&#8217;s always fascinating to read what pundits who can&#8217;t imagine Israel having its 60th anniversary think about Israel&#8230; Oh well, maybe that also explains why Sullivan would apparently think there is something liberal or leftist about the mondoweiss campaign against Israel.<br />
But that Contentions published a piece that they then felt should be pulled is definitely dismal.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
		<link>http://sadredearth.com/email-from-andrew-sullivan-on-israel-and-max-blumenthal/comment-page-1/#comment-243</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have thought of Andrew Sullivan as one of many British antisemites for a while now. Many of my online interlocutors thought I was exaggerating.

I wish I had been. 


There is also in interesting bit on Sullivan who think that the US has become a “police State” under 
Obama:

http://normblog.typepad.com/normblog/2009/07/on-tendencies-and-categories.html

Moonbat is too mild for good old Andrew. 


As for “mondoweiss,” he is very hostile to Jews not just to Israel wanting all Jews to assimilate. He is the very embodiment of those old pre-Nazi German Jewish assimilationists with one exception, he knows very little about Judaism or Jewish history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have thought of Andrew Sullivan as one of many British antisemites for a while now. Many of my online interlocutors thought I was exaggerating.</p>
<p>I wish I had been. </p>
<p>There is also in interesting bit on Sullivan who think that the US has become a “police State” under<br />
Obama:</p>
<p><a href="http://normblog.typepad.com/normblog/2009/07/on-tendencies-and-categories.html" rel="nofollow">http://normblog.typepad.com/normblog/2009/07/on-tendencies-and-categories.html</a></p>
<p>Moonbat is too mild for good old Andrew. </p>
<p>As for “mondoweiss,” he is very hostile to Jews not just to Israel wanting all Jews to assimilate. He is the very embodiment of those old pre-Nazi German Jewish assimilationists with one exception, he knows very little about Judaism or Jewish history.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Sullivan Forecasts Israel&#8217;s Demise at Z-Word Blog</title>
		<link>http://sadredearth.com/email-from-andrew-sullivan-on-israel-and-max-blumenthal/comment-page-1/#comment-241</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Sullivan Forecasts Israel&#8217;s Demise at Z-Word Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Adler directs me to this correspondence of his with Andrew Sullivan.  Inter alia, Adler writes: &#8220;The problem [...]</description>
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