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		<title>By: copithorne</title>
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		<description>Is it your understanding that for forty years Israel has offered to return to 67 borders in exchange for peace?

In my understanding of the history, admittedly less exhaustive than your own, I missed the point in which Israel has offered to return to &#039;67 borders. When do you think that offer was made?

Certainly East Jerusalem, has never been on the table. Even excluding that, the closest Israel came was with Ehud Barak and the Clinton Peace Summit. My understanding is that there were substantial divergences between the Israeli offer and &#039;67 borders. While I believe that Arafat should have accepted the deal as a starting point, I don&#039;t believe that the Palestinians have ever had the opportunity to return to &#039;67 borders in exchange for peace.

So, whatever else you say that may be true, the Israeli government and people -- and maybe even supporters such as yourself -- ALSO treat continuing war as an opportunity for national gain. 

Regarding the main substance of your post, have you read Lawrence Wright&#039;s article about Gaza in the November 9 New Yorker? It may be more constructive for you to engage with reporting about Operation Cast Lead rather than Official Assignments of Blame such as the Goldstone Report. Both current Israeli policy and the tone of your post seems to be that the only solution you see is cause enough pain and death and suffering to advance this fatigue in the Palestinians. 

I can understand that other solutions seem hard to discern. And yet, I don&#039;t think the approach you endorse is going to lead to anywhere you want to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it your understanding that for forty years Israel has offered to return to 67 borders in exchange for peace?</p>
<p>In my understanding of the history, admittedly less exhaustive than your own, I missed the point in which Israel has offered to return to &#8216;67 borders. When do you think that offer was made?</p>
<p>Certainly East Jerusalem, has never been on the table. Even excluding that, the closest Israel came was with Ehud Barak and the Clinton Peace Summit. My understanding is that there were substantial divergences between the Israeli offer and &#8216;67 borders. While I believe that Arafat should have accepted the deal as a starting point, I don&#8217;t believe that the Palestinians have ever had the opportunity to return to &#8216;67 borders in exchange for peace.</p>
<p>So, whatever else you say that may be true, the Israeli government and people &#8212; and maybe even supporters such as yourself &#8212; ALSO treat continuing war as an opportunity for national gain. </p>
<p>Regarding the main substance of your post, have you read Lawrence Wright&#8217;s article about Gaza in the November 9 New Yorker? It may be more constructive for you to engage with reporting about Operation Cast Lead rather than Official Assignments of Blame such as the Goldstone Report. Both current Israeli policy and the tone of your post seems to be that the only solution you see is cause enough pain and death and suffering to advance this fatigue in the Palestinians. </p>
<p>I can understand that other solutions seem hard to discern. And yet, I don&#8217;t think the approach you endorse is going to lead to anywhere you want to go.</p>
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