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		<title>By: A. Jay Adler</title>
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		<dc:creator>A. Jay Adler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 02:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’m glad I&#039;m helping, and I agree that all truths of history should be known. Adler is a German Jewish name, though my parentage is from Ukraine, so I&#039;ve got that 12% chance, perhaps, of having some Khazararian mitochondrial DNA in me. 

I don&#039;t think at all that you are anti-Semitic; you seem a person of genuine goodwill, with a desire for knowledge and justice. Norman Finkelstein, however, whom you cited in your first comment, is notoriously anti-Semitic, Jew or not. I will agree that the Palestinian people have had an awful time over these past 60 years. That it’s a &quot;deal,&quot; raw or not, handed to them by others, rather than the consequence of their own actions, I would have to dispute with you. It is not by any action of Israel that the Palestinians have not had their own nation, larger than Israel, for those 60 years. To know my position on this score, you might wish to read my post &lt;a href=&quot;http://sadredearth.com/the-refusal/.&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Refusal&lt;/a&gt;.

I agree that the charge of anti-Semitism is levied a bit too easily and frequently. There are people who think that. There are people who think the general charge of racism is too easily made. I also believe that peoples long subjected to hateful and discriminatory feeling from others are more sensitively attuned to it than are outsiders, and can perceive it when outsiders sense nothing. Racism is so often covert. 

You might be interested to know that I was in Virginia very recently, where we worked with the Pamunkey Indians on their reservation, the oldest in the nation. One older gentleman, about 75, with whom I spent time was a lovely and very good humored man. It was when I sat down to record an interview with him that he told me that white people had &quot;treated me like shit&quot; all of his life. He said that when his wife admonished him not to look back so much, he said to her, &quot;You&#039;ve had an operation. You have a scar. You ever look at that scar?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m glad I&#8217;m helping, and I agree that all truths of history should be known. Adler is a German Jewish name, though my parentage is from Ukraine, so I&#8217;ve got that 12% chance, perhaps, of having some Khazararian mitochondrial DNA in me. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think at all that you are anti-Semitic; you seem a person of genuine goodwill, with a desire for knowledge and justice. Norman Finkelstein, however, whom you cited in your first comment, is notoriously anti-Semitic, Jew or not. I will agree that the Palestinian people have had an awful time over these past 60 years. That it’s a &#8220;deal,&#8221; raw or not, handed to them by others, rather than the consequence of their own actions, I would have to dispute with you. It is not by any action of Israel that the Palestinians have not had their own nation, larger than Israel, for those 60 years. To know my position on this score, you might wish to read my post <a href="http://sadredearth.com/the-refusal/." rel="nofollow">The Refusal</a>.</p>
<p>I agree that the charge of anti-Semitism is levied a bit too easily and frequently. There are people who think that. There are people who think the general charge of racism is too easily made. I also believe that peoples long subjected to hateful and discriminatory feeling from others are more sensitively attuned to it than are outsiders, and can perceive it when outsiders sense nothing. Racism is so often covert. </p>
<p>You might be interested to know that I was in Virginia very recently, where we worked with the Pamunkey Indians on their reservation, the oldest in the nation. One older gentleman, about 75, with whom I spent time was a lovely and very good humored man. It was when I sat down to record an interview with him that he told me that white people had &#8220;treated me like shit&#8221; all of his life. He said that when his wife admonished him not to look back so much, he said to her, &#8220;You&#8217;ve had an operation. You have a scar. You ever look at that scar?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: GC</title>
		<link>http://sadredearth.com/whose-left-on-the-right-of-antisemitism/comment-page-1/#comment-777</link>
		<dc:creator>GC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Believe it or not, you are helping. I am guessing you are Jewish. Should I have known that by the name Adler? I didn&#039;t. 

Jews shouldn&#039;t have to justify this or that regarding what they consider Jewishness. Knowing the DNA connection is better than not knowing. As far as history is concened, I say whatever is true let it be known. Suppose the Khazar myth were true--even that wouldn&#039;t discount the true Jewishness. I would prefer it be a myth.

The only thing that bothers me about Israel, is that I think the Palestinians got a raw deal. Sorry, I am not anti-semitic. I am really sensitive about how that term is being used today by powerful groups like the ADL and the status quo media. Gentiles like myself often fear being labeled anti-semitic over very innocent and legitimate concerns. There was no anti-semitism in my upbringing at all.

Jewishness does fascinate me ( in a possitive way.) But, I would rather not think of someone&#039;s whateverness too much, because it gets in the way of their humanness. I am a &quot;mutt&quot; from european groups. Virginia is my only homeland as I was born there. Even that bothers me because Virginia was taken from the Native Americans and it was once a slave state. I don&#039;t think I have a parallel identity to Jewish identity. I think it&#039;s ok to want a national homeland. What would mine be, Ireland, England, France?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Believe it or not, you are helping. I am guessing you are Jewish. Should I have known that by the name Adler? I didn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>Jews shouldn&#8217;t have to justify this or that regarding what they consider Jewishness. Knowing the DNA connection is better than not knowing. As far as history is concened, I say whatever is true let it be known. Suppose the Khazar myth were true&#8211;even that wouldn&#8217;t discount the true Jewishness. I would prefer it be a myth.</p>
<p>The only thing that bothers me about Israel, is that I think the Palestinians got a raw deal. Sorry, I am not anti-semitic. I am really sensitive about how that term is being used today by powerful groups like the ADL and the status quo media. Gentiles like myself often fear being labeled anti-semitic over very innocent and legitimate concerns. There was no anti-semitism in my upbringing at all.</p>
<p>Jewishness does fascinate me ( in a possitive way.) But, I would rather not think of someone&#8217;s whateverness too much, because it gets in the way of their humanness. I am a &#8220;mutt&#8221; from european groups. Virginia is my only homeland as I was born there. Even that bothers me because Virginia was taken from the Native Americans and it was once a slave state. I don&#8217;t think I have a parallel identity to Jewish identity. I think it&#8217;s ok to want a national homeland. What would mine be, Ireland, England, France?</p>
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		<title>By: A. Jay Adler</title>
		<link>http://sadredearth.com/whose-left-on-the-right-of-antisemitism/comment-page-1/#comment-775</link>
		<dc:creator>A. Jay Adler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 02:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here are two links on the genetic studies, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2000/05/09/science/y-chromosome-bears-witness-to-story-of-the-jewish-diaspora.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the earliest in the cycle&lt;/a&gt;, published by the Academy of Science, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v13/n3/full/5201319a.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the latest&lt;/a&gt;, I believe, which finds a greater Khazar presence, but still concludes: &quot;However, if the R-M17 chromosomes in Ashkenazi Jews do indeed represent the vestiges of the mysterious Khazars then, according to our data, this contribution was limited to either a single founder or a few closely related men, and does not exceed approx12% of the present-day Ashkenazim.&quot; Of course, one issue, for Jews, is why we, of all people, need to have our genetic identity established. It&#039;s always - if you&#039;ll pardon my Aramaic - one fucking thing or another. But genetics is about as sound a science as there is now. Each study may not have been definitive (there have been more comprehensive analyses) but they have all been determinative, which is why I used that word originally. There is no doubting the genetic relations and ancient Middle Eastern origin of the Jewish people, including, by the way, their close genetic relationship to Palestinians. If people choose to question genetic science, in this case, then, again, a Jew has to wonder (and not too long).

You don&#039;t get the &quot;homeland thing&quot;? I don&#039;t know where you&#039;re coming from, whether you hold to what I would consider some form of Utopian political philosophy that rejects the very notion of nationalism, or if you are limiting your mystification to Jews and Israel. Jews want a homeland for the same reasons as everyone else, and might be fairly asked to transcend that petty human limitation when everyone else does, and not before. Another answer is to ask, with some surprise, how can you look at Jewish history - a millennial history of rootless (even when rooted) persecution as a scapegoated other - and not get why Jews decided it was time to have a homeland. But the primary answer is that the land &lt;em&gt;is &lt;/em&gt;the historic Jewish homeland. The situation is not remotely comparable to Europeans and Native Americans. Europeans were not from the Western Hemisphere; Jews are from the area of present-day Israel (and beyond), which was their homeland. And, of course, this is what the whole malicious Khazar focus is intended to challenge.

You seem to have a clear sense of the complexity and injustices of history. The Palestinians have claims too, and they need to be satisfied, while satisfying the legitimate claims of Jews too. No party gets all it wants, and it certainly isn&#039;t so, if Israel were to hold out - for how many centuries? - that the Palestinian claim would be wiped out by time. Neither is that true of the Jews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are two links on the genetic studies, <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2000/05/09/science/y-chromosome-bears-witness-to-story-of-the-jewish-diaspora.html" rel="nofollow">the earliest in the cycle</a>, published by the Academy of Science, and <a href="http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v13/n3/full/5201319a.html" rel="nofollow">the latest</a>, I believe, which finds a greater Khazar presence, but still concludes: &#8220;However, if the R-M17 chromosomes in Ashkenazi Jews do indeed represent the vestiges of the mysterious Khazars then, according to our data, this contribution was limited to either a single founder or a few closely related men, and does not exceed approx12% of the present-day Ashkenazim.&#8221; Of course, one issue, for Jews, is why we, of all people, need to have our genetic identity established. It&#8217;s always &#8211; if you&#8217;ll pardon my Aramaic &#8211; one fucking thing or another. But genetics is about as sound a science as there is now. Each study may not have been definitive (there have been more comprehensive analyses) but they have all been determinative, which is why I used that word originally. There is no doubting the genetic relations and ancient Middle Eastern origin of the Jewish people, including, by the way, their close genetic relationship to Palestinians. If people choose to question genetic science, in this case, then, again, a Jew has to wonder (and not too long).</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t get the &#8220;homeland thing&#8221;? I don&#8217;t know where you&#8217;re coming from, whether you hold to what I would consider some form of Utopian political philosophy that rejects the very notion of nationalism, or if you are limiting your mystification to Jews and Israel. Jews want a homeland for the same reasons as everyone else, and might be fairly asked to transcend that petty human limitation when everyone else does, and not before. Another answer is to ask, with some surprise, how can you look at Jewish history &#8211; a millennial history of rootless (even when rooted) persecution as a scapegoated other &#8211; and not get why Jews decided it was time to have a homeland. But the primary answer is that the land <em>is </em>the historic Jewish homeland. The situation is not remotely comparable to Europeans and Native Americans. Europeans were not from the Western Hemisphere; Jews are from the area of present-day Israel (and beyond), which was their homeland. And, of course, this is what the whole malicious Khazar focus is intended to challenge.</p>
<p>You seem to have a clear sense of the complexity and injustices of history. The Palestinians have claims too, and they need to be satisfied, while satisfying the legitimate claims of Jews too. No party gets all it wants, and it certainly isn&#8217;t so, if Israel were to hold out &#8211; for how many centuries? &#8211; that the Palestinian claim would be wiped out by time. Neither is that true of the Jews.</p>
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		<title>By: GC aka Goyim Circumcisium</title>
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		<dc:creator>GC aka Goyim Circumcisium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish I had the facts. I would like it to be true about the Khazar connection as you suggest. I am totally convinced Sephardic Jews are blood related to Israel&#039;s past. I am still hesitant regarding the Ashkenazim Jews or Khazars(as I termed them) However, the DNA results might be revealing concerning human migrations in general. I would think migrations could be explained somewhat by the DNA tracking and cross-checking. But does this tell us of a migration in recent history(2000 years) or much earlier. What a tough assignment -- to obtain confidence in such a study. I would think it would not be definitive.  It really does not matter to me who is and who is not a Jew or whether it is an ethnicity or a religion or something else. 
I just don&#039;t get the homeland thing. Palestine existed with Palestinians-some Muslim and some Christian. They are forced out of their homes to create a state for Jews from foreign lands. This based on Jewishness. And now the Palestinians are treated like the Native Americans were treated. Pushed and dominated into poverty and death.  This based on what? Being God&#039;s Chosen? Would someone explain it to me. It all was incorrect, immoral and violent. However, Israel is now there though, just as the US what it is now--so there is no turning back as that would be a second injustice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I had the facts. I would like it to be true about the Khazar connection as you suggest. I am totally convinced Sephardic Jews are blood related to Israel&#8217;s past. I am still hesitant regarding the Ashkenazim Jews or Khazars(as I termed them) However, the DNA results might be revealing concerning human migrations in general. I would think migrations could be explained somewhat by the DNA tracking and cross-checking. But does this tell us of a migration in recent history(2000 years) or much earlier. What a tough assignment &#8212; to obtain confidence in such a study. I would think it would not be definitive.  It really does not matter to me who is and who is not a Jew or whether it is an ethnicity or a religion or something else.<br />
I just don&#8217;t get the homeland thing. Palestine existed with Palestinians-some Muslim and some Christian. They are forced out of their homes to create a state for Jews from foreign lands. This based on Jewishness. And now the Palestinians are treated like the Native Americans were treated. Pushed and dominated into poverty and death.  This based on what? Being God&#8217;s Chosen? Would someone explain it to me. It all was incorrect, immoral and violent. However, Israel is now there though, just as the US what it is now&#8211;so there is no turning back as that would be a second injustice.</p>
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		<title>By: A. Jay Adler</title>
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		<dc:creator>A. Jay Adler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps to your surprise, I agree with some of what you say. I strongly disagree with other views. But I&#039;m not going to bother with any of that. However, the Khazar mythology cannot be ignored. 

Determinative genetic study presented by the National Academy of Sciences demonstrates clear and strong genetic relationship between Western and Eastern European Jews, between Ashkenazim and Sephardic Jews, and between all and an ancient Middle Eastern founder population, with no extraordinary degree of the expected mingling with host populations. Even a later analysis of the findings, one that claims some greater presence of Khazar mitochondrial DNA among the Eastern European Ashkenazim, does not contradict any of these findings. And currently, nearly 60% of the Israeli Jewish population is of Sephardic descent.

Hold whatever opinions you like. Hold them according the facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps to your surprise, I agree with some of what you say. I strongly disagree with other views. But I&#8217;m not going to bother with any of that. However, the Khazar mythology cannot be ignored. </p>
<p>Determinative genetic study presented by the National Academy of Sciences demonstrates clear and strong genetic relationship between Western and Eastern European Jews, between Ashkenazim and Sephardic Jews, and between all and an ancient Middle Eastern founder population, with no extraordinary degree of the expected mingling with host populations. Even a later analysis of the findings, one that claims some greater presence of Khazar mitochondrial DNA among the Eastern European Ashkenazim, does not contradict any of these findings. And currently, nearly 60% of the Israeli Jewish population is of Sephardic descent.</p>
<p>Hold whatever opinions you like. Hold them according the facts.</p>
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		<title>By: Goyim Circumcisium</title>
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		<dc:creator>Goyim Circumcisium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just some beliefs that I have about it all.
1. There are no &quot;Chosen People,&quot; period.
2. There is no such thing as a &quot;Holy Land.&quot; All land occupied by humans today in some way was taken by might. Israel, US no exception. 
3. Most Jews do not originate from the area of Israel, even going back to Biblical time. There is no genetic connection between Jews in power in Israel today with those Hebrews that occupied that land 2000+ years ago. The empire of Khazaria was a non-Jewish empire that converted to Judaism by the emporer who sought a neutral position(sandwiched between Christianity and Islam 1144AD) These are the Jews in power and so successful worldwide.(see Koestler&#039;s &quot;Thirteenth Tribe) They migrated to Europe, then a false homeland was created for them(Zionism)in Israel. 
4. Many, many Jewish people consider gentiles anti-semitic if they do not support Israel or zionism. There are Jews who do not support Zionism. They are not called anti-semitic. They are called self-haters. Being anti-Zionist is not at all the same as being anti-semitic.  Incidently, semitic is a misnomer.  Ashkenazis are not the descendants of the Ancient Israelites. They are not semitic. Probably 90% of the Jews are Ashkenazi.
5. Indeed there was a holocaust. Many Jews hold it as only theirs, downplaying other such genocidal enterprises throughout history and even disregarding other groups such as gypsies in THE holocaust.
6. Jews have used the holocaust as a political tool to create Israel, gain sympathy and even make money. (see Finkelstein &#039;The Holocaust Industry&quot;
7. Jews are undoubtedly the most successful, enterprising people on earth and I admire them. But I don&#039;t consider them Jews--they&#039;re just people and unless they are living in Israel, I just don&#039;t see their connection to it or interest in it. It seems a connection to what was once Khazaria would be more logical--why no forced homeland there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just some beliefs that I have about it all.<br />
1. There are no &#8220;Chosen People,&#8221; period.<br />
2. There is no such thing as a &#8220;Holy Land.&#8221; All land occupied by humans today in some way was taken by might. Israel, US no exception.<br />
3. Most Jews do not originate from the area of Israel, even going back to Biblical time. There is no genetic connection between Jews in power in Israel today with those Hebrews that occupied that land 2000+ years ago. The empire of Khazaria was a non-Jewish empire that converted to Judaism by the emporer who sought a neutral position(sandwiched between Christianity and Islam 1144AD) These are the Jews in power and so successful worldwide.(see Koestler&#8217;s &#8220;Thirteenth Tribe) They migrated to Europe, then a false homeland was created for them(Zionism)in Israel.<br />
4. Many, many Jewish people consider gentiles anti-semitic if they do not support Israel or zionism. There are Jews who do not support Zionism. They are not called anti-semitic. They are called self-haters. Being anti-Zionist is not at all the same as being anti-semitic.  Incidently, semitic is a misnomer.  Ashkenazis are not the descendants of the Ancient Israelites. They are not semitic. Probably 90% of the Jews are Ashkenazi.<br />
5. Indeed there was a holocaust. Many Jews hold it as only theirs, downplaying other such genocidal enterprises throughout history and even disregarding other groups such as gypsies in THE holocaust.<br />
6. Jews have used the holocaust as a political tool to create Israel, gain sympathy and even make money. (see Finkelstein &#8216;The Holocaust Industry&#8221;<br />
7. Jews are undoubtedly the most successful, enterprising people on earth and I admire them. But I don&#8217;t consider them Jews&#8211;they&#8217;re just people and unless they are living in Israel, I just don&#8217;t see their connection to it or interest in it. It seems a connection to what was once Khazaria would be more logical&#8211;why no forced homeland there?</p>
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